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Provo River Half Marathon

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
38.170.0028.100.5066.77
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5.000.000.000.005.00

It was just a simple 5 mile run.  I went a bit quick, but not very.  I didn't want to push things before Saturday's race

Race: Provo River Half Marathon (13.1 Miles) 01:31:17, Place overall: 43, Place in age division: 7
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.0013.100.0013.10

This is my first semi-competitive race in about 10 years.  I hadn't trained as much as I would have liked (I ran about twice a week).  This was also my first distance race longer than 5-10K.

My goal for this race was two-fold: to finish strong and to go as fast as I could without dying early.  I feel like I accomplished it.  For the first 3.2 miles I was just under 6:30 pace.  After the course flattened out, I slowed a bit.  By 9 miles my legs were cramping a bit, and I had some knee and foot pains.  After a mile my knees were better, but my legs and feet ached to the end.

 I wasn't as familiar with the course as I should have been, so I didn't push it through the end (I didn't want to speed up the last mile to find out there were 2 miles left).

 If I did it again, I would have pushed a bit harder through the last 4 miles, but I learned.



 

Comments
From dave holt on Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 13:52:49

Congratulations on a race well ran.

From Brent on Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 18:48:10

It seems like you had a very successful comeback race and are ready for more improvement. Congrads.

From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 16:05:02

Welcome to the blog!

From sarah on Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 23:49:06

Hi Eric.. It's Becky Pitts sister Sarah. I kind of feel like we are family so Welcome to the blog family. I was pleasantly surprised to see you get on it and hopefully you'll get some advice and support to help you achieve goals you have. You obviously have some talent so it will be fun to see how you improve.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.000.002.500.004.50

This morning I woke up at 6 to go for a workout.  In my warm-up I was still pretty stiff from Saturday's race.   My knees weren't hurting like they were yesterday or friday, but my muscles are pretty stiff.

 I decided to do a 5x800 meter workout.  My target pace for this was 6:00 mile pace.  Between each interval, I rested for about 1:30.  My times were as follows: 3:07, 2:58, 2:53, 2:57, 2:57.  The first was a bit slow as I was trying to find the right pace (and I had a watch problem).  They actually were a bit easier as I did a few more.  I dry-heaved after the 3rd and at-the-end-of/after the 4th (it's a good thing I hadn't eaten).  However, after the last leg, I was fine. I think I just need to work on not dry-heaving.

 I felt pretty good about the workout. I need to build up my speed and mileage, but today was a good start.

 

Comments
From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 11:02:03

Eric - build mileage before you start doing speed work. Get to where you are running 8-10 miles a day first, and until then do not do anything that would make it harder for you to run the mileage.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

RPE: 3

Today was just a easy run.  I am still a bit tight from yesterday's workout (and probably from Saturday).  It wasn't too bad, though.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.000.003.000.005.00

RPE: 7

 I wasn't really in the mood to run today.  After warming up fo ra mile, I ran 3 miles at 6:20, 6:30, and 6:30 pace.  I really meant to run 4 miles, but I got lazy.  I really think I could have done another mile at this pace.

I then warmed down for a mile. 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.000.000.000.005.00

RPE 2.

 I ran an easy 5 miles today (40 minutes). It felt pretty good.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.170.000.000.0012.17

Easy 12.17 miles.  I enjoyed running at the beginning in the rain.  After 1:20, I was about ready to be done.  It wasn't difficult, I was just done running on long straight flat roads.  I felt good afterwards.  I was really close at the end to running another mile, but I was done.  It took 1:35.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

RPE: 3

It was just an easy 4 miles. I am really enjoying running each morning. Each day I wake up excited to run. I wanted to run intervals, but I couldn't find my watch in the dark.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.000.003.000.505.50

RPE: 9

Today I warmed up for 1 mile and then ran 7x800m. The times were (in order): 2:52, 2:56, 2:57, 2:57, 2:56, 2:55, 2:41.

These were a bit faster than last weeks reps. I also did more. I feel like I am gradually getting better. The last one took a lot out of me. I felt good after the cool-down, though.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.003.000.003.00

RPE: 7

This is just a guess at mileage. I ran for 19 minutes up a mountain. It then took me 8 minutes to run down. It was pretty killer, but after running downhill I felt fine.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.000.003.500.005.50

RPE: 8

 
Today was an interval day.  I ran 6x1000m with 2 minutes rest in between. The legs were in 3:42, 3:41, 3:41, 3:38, 3:44, and 3:34.  I was pretty beat at the end (I pushed that last interval hard), but it wasn't nasty.  It was good to start up a good running week again.

Comments
From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 13:18:47

Eric - see the number one training mistake in the Top Ten Training Mistakes list at the link above. You ran only 12.5 miles last week. If your focus is the 5 K I would recommend at least 40 miles a week before doing intervals. If your focus is longer races, you should run even more than that before any intervals become productive. If you are lacking time, and that is the reason you are cutting the distance, warm-up for 5 minutes, then run hard for as long as you have time for (6:15-6:30 pace), then cool down for 2 minutes.

From Eric on Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 17:41:13

I understand your thoughts about the need to get decent mileage, especially if I was training to run a marathon next week. However, right now I am focusing on shorter distances as I gradually build up the miles. As such, I think a minimum of 40 is a little high for this.

I ran seriously in high school (and for a stint in college). Over all that time, I never got more than a week or two over 40 miles a week. Also, I have been reading many articles both online, in book, and magazine. Most of these suggested workouts have less than 40 miles a week.

I also understand your thoughts about me running only 12.5 miles last week, but the reason wasn't due to tiredness or soreness, but because of some family/work situations. These kept me from running.

Right now if I wanted to, I think I could easily put in 40 or even 60 miles a week (my half-marathon after only running once or twice a week, for example). However, for now I am just gradually increasing my mileage over a period of time. I haven't run seriously in a couple of years, so I am focusing on gradually building up.

All the articles I have read (Max Hall's in the most recent runner's world for example) talks about half-marathon training while running only around 30-40 miles a week (like I did 2 weeks ago). In fact for that schedule you only ever reach 40 miles if you are focusing on the longer marathon over the 10K.

That said, I appreciate your comments, I have a feeling I will be asking a lot of questions in the future.

From Eric on Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 17:48:25

I understand your thoughts about the need to get decent mileage, especially if I was training to run a marathon next week. However, right now I am focusing on shorter distances as I gradually build up the miles. As such, I think a minimum of 40 is a little high for this.

I ran seriously in high school (and for a stint in college). Over all that time, I never got more than a week or two over 40 miles a week. Also, I have been reading many articles both online, in book, and magazine. Most of these suggested workouts have less than 40 miles a week.

I also understand your thoughts about me running only 12.5 miles last week, but the reason wasn't due to tiredness or soreness, but because of some family/work situations. These kept me from running.

Right now if I wanted to, I think I could easily put in 40 or even 60 miles a week (my half-marathon after only running once or twice a week, for example). However, for now I am just gradually increasing my mileage over a period of time. I haven't run seriously in a couple of years, so I am focusing on gradually building up.

All the articles I have read (Max Hall's in the most recent runner's world for example) talks about half-marathon training while running only around 30-40 miles a week (like I did 2 weeks ago). In fact for that schedule you only ever reach 40 miles if you are focusing on the longer marathon over the 10K.

That said, I appreciate your comments, I have a feeling I will be asking a lot of questions in the future.

From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 18:45:52

Eric - I am aware of the articles. It is possible for a talented runner to run a half-marathon, and even the full marathon not only off low mileage but even off just basketball and tennis. In fact, if he is very talented, you can take him straight out of a bar, give him an hour to sober up, and he will run a Boston Qualifier in the marathon. Do not let that mislead you into believing that sporadic short runs intermixed with speed work, basketball, tennis, or alcohol intake are the best way to train for a distance race. You have a potentially 2:10 marathoner running 3:10. With this much room to give (60 minutes), a lot of serious training/preparation/lifestyle mistakes can be compensated for by the natural talent. In order to understand which training methods are effective, you need to raise the bar and look at the runners that are achieving the times that cannot be reached with talent alone. Whenever you read an article that suggests a certain training method, ask yourself - how many people broke 13:30 in a 5 K training like this, how many people ran a sub-28:00 10 K, how many hit a sub-1:01 marathon, and how many broke 2:10 in the marathon? I suppose you may find an individual or two that broke 13:30 in a 5 K off 60 miles a week or slightly less, but you will find that most of your top 5 K runners, even the low mileage/high intensity guys in that bracket run at least 80 miles a week. I do not know of any marathoner that went under 2:10 off less than 90, you'll find the median value at around 110-120. With that data, I am inclined to write off any reported success off any form of low mileage as a runner with exceptional talent simply not reaching his potential. Sure, 14:30 5 K is great, but what kind of runner did that if he trained at 30 miles a week? Most likely, a potentially 13:00 off proper training. While everybody was impressed by his hands down win in a local 5 K with enough time to finish his breakfast before the second runner showed up, it was his lack of training that kept him at the level of a collegiate standout rather than a world class athlete.

This is not to say that dumb high mileage will automatically give you success - you have to do it right. But proper aerobic development is absolutely critical to success in distance running.

From Austin on Thu, May 08, 2008 at 09:34:47

Do you know what D.I.I.G.A.F means???

From Smooth on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:04:57 from 71.36.65.79

Hey Eric,

Nice intervals workout! Glad you had a nice Spring break in Chicago. Gary is coming into town this weekend. I'm running a half in Riverton; he might sign up. We got our Boston bib #. His is 1480 with the elites. Mine is 20085 with the sweepers. 28 days to go. WooHoo!

I can't wait to come see you, Marianne and new baby.

Happy to hear that you find time to run with your busy life. GOOD LUCK with school. We pray for you every day. LOVE YOU!!!

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38.170.0028.100.5066.77
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